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Why?
It would really be special if instead of simply stating your idea, you could also provide a reason for it (and not "because it's a good idea").
I think 3 sets is sufficient for anyone trying out the service, and it provides a good incentive for users to upgrade to Pro.
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Why on earth should free users get anything more than what they already get? It wouldn't make any more money for Flickr. It would, in fact, make them less profitable.
If you want more sets, pay for pro. Flickr is a business. What they give away for free is simply a limited sample of what their product is.
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i understand what your saying about flickr making less money but some people have alot of photos to organize in three sets
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Then pay the money to get yourself more sets.
Or use tags to sort your photos. If you have "a lot" of photos, you're going to hit a wall at 200 photos anyway - by design, so that you aren't draining resources by not paying money for the service if you're using it a lot.
Either way, Flickr has already stated in this group that they are happy with their current business model.
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what if i don't have $25
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Flickr should change their business model because you don't have $25?
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I don't have $3000, so I think Nikon should give me a D700. It's only fair.
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 coreyworkman26 "what if i don't have $25 "
You have at least four choices that I can see:
1) earn money so you can buy something you really want, like a Flickr account. Babysit, mow lawns, etc. Or convince your parents that they could pay you to take on extra work that would make your family's life better.
2) Whine and beg your parents to give you $25. I suspect you'll have more luck with Option 1, but hey! Many kids are effective at panhandling, and it might work for you as well.
3) Whine and beg a major international corporation to give you free services. Oh, right, you already HAVE free services from a major international corporation. So, perhaps if you whine louder they'll give you even more! Naw, they're probably smarter than that.
4) Give up on the idea that simply wanting something entitles you to having it. And use your time and creativity to create something of value that other people would want.
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I'm with dopiaza: why won't Nikon give me a D700?
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what is that all i want is some more sets i didn't ask for all of this crap
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No, you asked for a company to give you something for free because *you* don't have the money to pay for it. The world doesn't generally work like that.
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When you put an idea out there, it tends to be examined to see if it viable or worthwhile... or even just good. Don't put out an idea if you can't handle the heat it might generate.
If you want more sets, then pay for an upgrade. Flickr is a business, and can't just give away everything, because then they'd go out of business.
Then you wouldn't be able to have any sets.
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Well, there's a case for 5 sets rather than the very scanty 3 enforced now, If the merit of free accounts is in the testability of fitness for a purpose before paying, and that specific number is somehow "magic" in that:
1 - It feels like a usable number of categories for a free account,
2 - It's in fact way too short, once you begin to use Flickr more seriously.
I don't think it would mean a serious drainage of Flickr ressources, either; it isn't as if it would wildly affect storage or bandwidth requirements.
But, of course, this has little to do with the "I've got no money" of the OP. I have none either, but I've managed to stay here for quite some years. :-)
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this is beginning to border on performance art.
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another good argument might be that it benefits people other than the account owner, because it helps them look through the photos a bit better.
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Why did this simple observation degenerate into an attack? You seem so concerned for Flickr and its business model. But I don't believe you. I think you just like to be bossy and hurt people. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
It's a perfectly good question. Why doesn't Flickr offer the same functionality to free users but limit it? It wouldn't make any difference to them or their resources.
What it might, do is lead more people to become pro as they realise how indispensable the service is. Best practice in product and service enticement is not to offer a light version but to restrict the usage of the full product. In this case perhaps either in bandwidth or number of images. That way the potential user knows what they are missing.
I believe your nasty people have a flawed argument.
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. Why doesn't Flickr offer the same functionality to free users but limit it?
Well, that's more or less what they do. The only problem, which is what we're discussing here, is whether those limits could be stretched a little to the "up" side. Something like complementing what they did when the merge with Yahoo because the injection of money.
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squishband wrote to restrict the usage of the full product. That's exactly what Flickr does.
You can have sets, but rather than unlimited, you get 3.
You can upload photos, but rather than unlimited, you only get 100MB per month.
You can join groups, but you can only add a photo to 10 groups.
You can upload as many photos as you want, but only the most recent 200 are visible.
You can view videos, but you can't upload them.
I don't see Flickr free as a "light version" but as a "limited trial" version. I would bet that the vast majority of people who upgrade to a pro account do so to get rid of the limitations of a free account. One of those limits is the 3 set limit.
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I mostly wanted the little "pro" beside my name.
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It's a perfectly good question. Why doesn't Flickr offer the same functionality to free users but limit it? It wouldn't make any difference to them or their resources.
I'm guessing you came straight into a Pro account from Yahoo photo's? As noted, this is precisely what Flickr does. It couldn't be a more accurate description of the free account if you tried.
Although I don't understand the diference between 'light' and 'restricted version of full'. To me they are the same, and (again, precisely what Flickr does.
The problem here is that this kind of question (particularly from this user in the last few weeks) are all about change of changes sake - and about something for nothing. 3 sets is more than enough to decide if the sets principle works for you. The fact that it clearly isn't enough is great marketing to make people want more - it's what the free account is for, in fact. To sell pro accounts.
If you read the 'suggestion' properly, you will see that the reason the user wants more sets is because they 'don't have the money for a Pro account'. That is a stupid reason to ask for a change to a commercial site, and so they are getting a less than understanding response.
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Well I don't see what difference a 5 rather than 3-set limit would make to anyone. As Silly Luis has pointed out it's still not enough but a slight change in that direction for free users might make some realise that Flickr loves them too, and convince them to sign up for pro later when they reach the need for 6 sets.
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I'm not bashing coreyworkman26, but the point of 3 sets is to make you buy the Pro account. It's definitely one of the things that made me want a Pro account.
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most of you have the same point your saying that flickr free is a trial version but to me this is all i will ever have all i want is a couple of more sets to store my photos im not saying i want a pro account. and if you look at the other coments their all from pro users why would a pro user care if a free user gets what he/she wants
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Corey,
The point of limiting free users to a certain number of sets is to provide incentive for them to upgrade. Most of us posting here are Pro account holders, and we have a vested interest in the service, improving it, and seeing Flickr continue since we've put money into it.
Since you're not putting money into it (and claim that you never will), that's not to say that you don't have your reasons for wanting to improve Flickr either. But the service needs money to continue even existing -- hence the reason to provide incentives for upgrading by limiting what free users can have.
Any number of sets will be arbitrary. If you had 5 sets you might then want 7. Or you might want 500 photos visible instead of 200. At some point, there will always be a limit. Saying that you cannot to upgrade (or don't want to upgrade) is simply not a good enough reason to change the limit as it stands. 3 sets allows you to see how the sets feature works -- beyond that, if you want more, you have to put something out to get more.
In the meantime, as I said many comments ago, you can still organize your photos by adding tags to them, and that becomes a "virtual" set, if you will. Not as easy as a viewer looking at a set, but still acts as a method of organization.
Regardless, you are still getting something (this service) for nothing.
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most of you have the same point your saying that flickr free is a trial version but to me this is all i will ever have
So if you're never going to give them any money, why on earth should they accommodate you? Do you know what a 'business' is, and why it exists?
All you see is what you want. What about when 5 sets isn't enough? Then it's 7. Then 8. Then you want to see more than 200 pictures... If you want a service, pay for it. If you don't (but are still getting something for nothing) then either put up with it or stop whining.
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Coreyworkman26, just save up for a pro account! That's what I'm doing!
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im not allowed to get a job so all i get is a measley 5 bucks every other week and ive got better things to spend my money on like a new sprinkler for my pool then a pro account
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coreyworkman26 "ive got better things to spend my money on"
Well, there you go. You're learning important life skills. Like budgeting and prioritizing your hobbies.
When it gets important enough, you can use your allowance to buy yourself a pro account.
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Why is anyone arguing with Corey?
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Corey,
I have found it useless to post in these forums. You have people like Colleen and many others that jump on u and attack u just for the fun of it. Yes there r many of us that do not have the money, I live on disability and am lucky I can afford food. Should we be grateful for free service, sure, but the the 10's of thousands or rather millions of people who pay, it would not break their bank to let free users have the 5 sets. Squishband is 100% correct, the people that run their mouths here and where any debatable question is asked like to be bossy and extremly hurtful. Like I said in a previous post, there is a difference between being a pro and a professional.
Good luck Corey, u r going to need it, and don't waste your time and energy argueing w theese people, they know everything. I assume they r just bored and have tio stick their 2 cents in everywhere.
Anna
I am sure some of you will have plenty to say about my response, too bad.
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I just re-read these posts, and God, Colleen did any one ever teach u about respect. You don't know this girl's situation, and to suggest she mow lawns or ask her parents for the money, you got brass ones lady. How the hell old r you? You'd be the type if I met you, after talking to for 3 minutes would want to bitch slap you. Grow up and keep your insulting suggestions to yourself.
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Okay I think we'll leave this one there. There are good points on both sides here but sometimes this group seems to like bickering over what is essentially a small request. Let's leave it to the Flickr to deploy or ignore.
Anna, personal insults should be avoided however. It gets none of us anywhere except perhaps excluded from the group.
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